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Hey!

On 03 Sep 2014, at 06:21, Mike Perry <mikeperry@torproject.org> wrote:

> Mac OS 10.6 has been end-of-life
> Moreover dropping 10.6 support would mean that we could ship 64bit-only
> binaries for Mac
[=85]
> Moreover, these 64bit binaries could be hardened with
> 10.7+ hardening options.
That would first mean to provide 64-bit binaries for OS X at all. At the mo=
ment all OS X TorBrowser Bundles' Firefox and tor binary are 32bit only.

$ file /Applications/TorBrowser.app/Contents/MacOS/TorBrowser.app/Contents/=
MacOS/firefox
firefox: Mach-O executable i386

$ file /Applications/TorBrowser.app/Tor/tor.real
tor.real: Mach-O executable i386

So before TBB is available as 64bit binaries, there is little benefit in mo=
ving to 10.7+ only.

> Unfortunately, roughly 19% of Mac users were still on OSX 10.6 as of
> March 2014, which is quite a lot of people.
Are there OS metrics for TBB? Couldn't find any on https://metrics.torproje=
ct.org/

Also, OS X 10.10 Yosemite is just around the corner which will EOL 10.7. Fu=
rther given the fact that all Macs that support 10.8 als do support 10.9 an=
d 10.10 this may be the better point to move to a 10.8+ build and drop 10.7=
 (which is a terrible release almost nobody uses) in the same process.

There are only 2 Mac models that are intel and 32bit only. So I guess the p=
ercentage of TBB users among these is mostly negligible. But a stated above=
, everthing is i386 atm anyway.


> should be able to use Tails on their Macs
> Is Tails a workable option for you?
Creating a Tails USB-Stick _on OS X_ is basically impossible for the genera=
l public, and a helluva process for the technically inclined. (It's not jus=
t dd the image and reboot.) So I'd say, no, at the moment, absolutely not. =
At least not before Tails Sticks are easy to create and stable to boot on t=
hat hardware.

Best regards
@MacLemon
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