Delivery-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 17:41:09 -0400
Return-Path: <tor-talk-bounces@lists.torproject.org>
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on moria.seul.org
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_ALL,
	DKIM_SIGNED,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,T_DKIM_INVALID,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=ham
	version=3.3.1
X-Original-To: archiver@seul.org
Delivered-To: archiver@seul.org
Received: from eugeni.torproject.org (eugeni.torproject.org [38.229.72.13])
	(using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
	(No client certificate requested)
	by khazad-dum.seul.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A33071E0B0B;
	Mon, 12 Oct 2015 17:41:07 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from eugeni.torproject.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by eugeni.torproject.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F67380DC;
	Mon, 12 Oct 2015 21:41:01 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by eugeni.torproject.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 686F8380D7
 for <tor-talk@lists.torproject.org>; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 21:40:58 +0000 (UTC)
X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at 
Received: from eugeni.torproject.org ([127.0.0.1])
 by localhost (eugeni.torproject.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024)
 with ESMTP id DKEehfQU4wMY for <tor-talk@lists.torproject.org>;
 Mon, 12 Oct 2015 21:40:58 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from smtp4.openmailbox.org (smtp4.openmailbox.org [62.4.1.38])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits))
 (Client did not present a certificate)
 by eugeni.torproject.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AA95380BE
 for <tor-talk@lists.torproject.org>; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 21:40:58 +0000 (UTC)
Received: by mail2.openmailbox.org (Postfix, from userid 1004)
 id AF0852AC12B7; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 23:40:54 +0200 (CEST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=openmailbox.org;
 s=openmailbox; t=1444686054;
 bh=IcC6qsQKLzwc9yRO55PP/34aaGO2A6RhaHXXiMvGLZc=;
 h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From;
 b=fUETcaWiLv21RrYl+ftwL2PRglhpuNBSSgw7ldpuYP9xYVwkjgekDDFcKzkXi5EqE
 tRCc2fG2240sl99wJM4deBtP0Y9FEgFmBeoDN4Se6LQgpTLdzbZpW/Uez3kaevl3ms
 8p5F1uIGLrqY0eWzAE4RgGeK8RXn3W9DtOrjTSOE=
Received: from www.openmailbox.org (openmailbox-b1 [10.91.69.218])
 by mail2.openmailbox.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AABE2AC1405
 for <tor-talk@lists.torproject.org>; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 23:40:44 +0200 (CEST)
Authentication-Results: mail2.openmailbox.org; dkim=none
 reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=fail (unprotected policy);
 dkim-atps=neutral
MIME-Version: 1.0
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:40:44 -0700
From: Spencer <spencerone@openmailbox.org>
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
In-Reply-To: <20151009011128.GE30048@localhost.localdomain>
References: <CAKcCSXohYs-2CiRiaMpObDkvvRRhOg23YDnOZA+wr6+=+1kqRw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABMkiz6_nnMpghj-Q4yxKZHKhAdEschZAMybGC_JHjxVR_aJWw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKcCSXrv9iDswGGwmBdRvv6Z06zURAVS3V6Yox-wT_RJFscH=g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKcCSXpanhF9O2bGOgfitC2yZic0RJ8QM3jBReCZaD+-OwFfNQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20151003205134.GB28860@localhost.localdomain>
 <CAKcCSXqdtrXuXvYdT0o4mc5Ti-yAfR6GhMdwd1hhPyOKi52DeQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20151009011128.GE30048@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <73a5a6f64e369ce2a4741df4e951f6dc@openmailbox.org>
X-Sender: spencerone@openmailbox.org
User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.0.6
Subject: [tor-talk] Making TBB undetectable!
X-BeenThere: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
Reply-To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
List-Id: "all discussion about theory, design,
 and development of Onion Routing" <tor-talk.lists.torproject.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/tor-talk>, 
 <mailto:tor-talk-request@lists.torproject.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/>
List-Post: <mailto:tor-talk@lists.torproject.org>
List-Help: <mailto:tor-talk-request@lists.torproject.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk>, 
 <mailto:tor-talk-request@lists.torproject.org?subject=subscribe>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"
Errors-To: tor-talk-bounces@lists.torproject.org
Sender: "tor-talk" <tor-talk-bounces@lists.torproject.org>

Hi,

>> 
>> Spencer:
>> You should draft this into a proposal...
>> 
> 
> behnaz Shirazi:
> if you write it for me i appreciate that :)
> 

I will write it with you.  Hit me up.

>> 
>> Yes, but discrimination is unsupported and avoidable.
>> 
> 
> sh-expires-12-2015@quantentunnel.de:
> Discrimination happens between you and your endpoint,
> not between you and Tor.
> 

Destinations discriminate against Tor :)

> 
> Can be done without TBB already.
> 

Might be the way to go, and be part of a security behavior protocol 
instead of contained in one package, similar to Tails' Unsafe or Portal 
Browsers.

> 
> It would be a discussion, if...
> 

Interesting limitations and perspective.  Thanks!

Wordlife,
Spencer

-- 
tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
To unsubscribe or change other settings go to
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

