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Subject: Re: [tor-talk] How does Tor help abuse victims?
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On Thu, 2014-10-02 at 10:56 -0400, Andrew Lewman wrote:
> On 2014-10-01 13:20, Sebastian G. <bastik.tor> wrote:
> > I appear to lack imagination on how Tor helps abuse victims. Since some
> > of you are involved with some organizations working in that field, I
> > hope you give some insight.
> >
> > Personally I see no benefit in using Tor from the point of view of an
> > abuse victim. Beside the properties why anyone could use Tor.
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> Tor is a tool in a toolbox full of options. It alone isn't going to=20
> solve all the problems experienced by a victim. Tor Browser, Tails, and=
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> Whonix do provide relief from the constant surveillance experienced by=
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> victims. They are tools which give back to a victim a small slice of=20
> control over their lives. It helps them feel safe for a period of time,=
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> when otherwise there are only risks, dangers, and threats.
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> When working with victims of abuse, the understanding and demystifying=
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> of technology is a big help. Helping someone understand how they are=20
> being controlled through technology is a huge confidence builder.=20
> Helping the person understand how their abuser is using technology makes=
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> the other seem far less omnipotent and powerful.

Could you elaborate more on this specifically? What are some ways that
abusers use technology to commit abuse?

I notice that this is a pretty unique threat model, and I wonder if
there are ways that it can be targeted more specifically, by a tool in
the tor toolbox or anything else, social or technical.=20

Feel free to reply off-list, since obviously this discussion is a little
off-topic and will almost certainly be triggering.


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