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You ARE totally naive and did not read what I posted. You sound like a 
disinformation specialist who wishes to sweep BIOS Chip Viruses--what 
the NSA actually uses today-under the rug. Why would you write such a 
"response" if it was not for disinformation and trivializing purposes

Depperman

On 11/22/2015 10:05 PM, Scfith Rise up wrote:
Can't you just buy a new machine with cash, and then make sure to never 
let it out of your site? What your describing would only happen if they 
have physical access to your machine to install ANT in the bios. 
Probably naive here, but I don't think that every machine made is 
already owned by the powers that be.


On 11/22/2015 10:11 PM, William H. Depperman wrote:
> You ARE totally naive and did not read what I posted. You sound like a 
> disinformation specialist who wishes to sweep BIOS Chip Viruses--what 
> the NSA actually uses today-under the rug. Why would you write such a 
> "response" if it was not for disinformation and trivializing purposes
>
> Depperman
>
> On 11/22/2015 10:05 PM, Scfith Rise up wrote:
>> Can't you just buy a new machine with cash, and then make sure to 
>> never let it out of your site? What your describing would only happen 
>> if they have physical access to your machine to install ANT in the 
>> bios. Probably naive here, but I don't think that every machine made 
>> is already owned by the powers that be. 


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