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Paolo Cardullo:
> This was an interesting discussion.
> =

> I was just thinking of starting a thread on why people use the
> appellative 'dark' as for 'dark net'. I found it quite disturbing and
> offensive, also in a racialised way.
> =

> [...]
> =

> I strongly disagree and I suggest to drop 'dark' from TOR services.
> Funny enough, only the day after the chief of London MET declared:
> 'internet has become a =93dark and ungoverned=94 space populated by
> paedophiles, murderers and terrorists'. This also can be seen with a
> shade of racism.

I opened a lengthy discussion about this in January:

https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2014-January/thread.html#31=
863

No real outcome.

The name is what it is, and I think it's stuck.

-- =

kat
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