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Obviously they're just members of the patriarchy who want to harass women
on the internet, they just need to listen and believe this woman's
experience, everyone knows that neither women or government institutions
ever do anything immoral. The tor network should be a save space for all
sorts of people, and we should be more inclusive and treat everyone with
equity, and be respectful of a diversity of opinions on privacy and
technology.

On Tuesday, May 5, 2015, l.m <ter.one.leeboi@hush.com> wrote:

> How hypocritical. You like to change the subject, again. You and Roger
> crossed the line when you didn't accept the operator's response and
> leave them alone. They only responded because you *forced* them to. A
> relay descriptor is not a person. It's a machine processing digital
> blips on a wire. A public descriptor describes a machine. If that
> machine prefers to withhold personally identifying information who are
> you to even ask why.
>
> A relay is not a person, a descriptor may describe a real-person
> relationship iff the operator decides to. It's a good thing Tor
> Project doesn't have a code of conduct posted on the website. If it
> did I would ask you to take it down.
>
> Of course you have the right to ask questions and make nice graphs
> about relays. If those relay make personally linkable information
> available it's a choice. A project that promotes privacy and anonymity
> is in violation of it's own purpose the moment it tries to force the
> operator to identify themselves. I think you did just that. At least
> that was the effect.
>
> You've given me much to think about. Thank you.
>
> --leeroy
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