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On 05/24/2015 03:07 PM, aka wrote:
> https://hola.org/
> 
> If you install and use hola, it uses your internet and IP for other
> customers traffic to unblock media and such. It's basicly tor where
> every user is an *:* exit.

Even experienced Tor exit operators get overwhelmed sometimes by
complaints and blacklisting. Exposing naive users to that is insane.

> Why are the police states of this world not banning it? Claims to have
> 46 million users. Tor has a lot less users and all cloud services are
> banning it.

It's probably harder to distinguish from normal traffic, with far more
exit IPs. But give them time ;)
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