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On Wed, 20 May 2015 08:35:00 Thomas.Hluchnik@netcologne.de wrote:
> Hello Paul,
> =

> when dear god in heaven decided to construct earth, he implemented the sun
> in such way, that it shines over the good and the bad ones. Think about
> that. All criminals can do their bad things with help of the daylight. The
> sunlight is completely neutral, shining for everybody.
> =

> What you are asking for is some kind of sunlight which is shining only for
> the good ones while the bad ones should be kept in the dark. But that
> approach is childish and unwise. Technical things are always neutral and
> can be used in any way. TOR is no exception. Use it for good or for bad
> things.
> =

> You talk about pornography. I talk about hitmen, offering their services =
by
> hidden servers.
> =

> If god decides to remove the sunlight from earth because there are some
> people not worth to receive sunlight, do you think this were a good idea?

Hi Paul,

WTF god has to do in this story? We are talking real life, not myth.

Having said that, I think we all converge toward one thing: Nobody can deci=
de =

what is right and what is wrong. It is by definition a biased thinking.

Tor is a liberating technology, it provides freedom of speech independent f=
rom =

whatever power-that-be, may it be a local gov, an LEA, a dictatorship, a we=
ll-
thinking "we're always right" dogma, whatever.

Freedom is an absolute concept, like Anarchy, you have to accept everything=
, =

from your own definition of bad thing to your own definition of good thing.

There's no compromise. Period.

What we have to fight is hypocrisy.

As a French national,  I can't stop thinking about "Tartuffe" by Moli=E8re, =

written in 1664 [1] and "L'Origine du monde" painted in 1866 by Gustave =

Courbet [2]. If you're still reading me, check Jacques Brel spitting on the =

army in 1966 [3] and L=E9o Ferr=E9 singing about "pissing, ejaculating and =
crying" =

in 1969 [4] ...

Tell me again, what's right and what's wrong?What's moral and what's not? =

Where pornography starts and where does it stop? What is art and what is no=
t? =

Who decide and who cannot?

Krys

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartuffe
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Origine_du_monde
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bordel_militaire_de_campagne
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A9o_Ferr%C3%A9

PS: I used to run an Tor exit node, I then turn it into a relay node becaus=
e =

of heavy pressure from the "We are the law" mother fuckers. I had to deal w=
ith =

DDOS attack report, network scanning complains, "illegal" content access, =

random insults in random "social media" places, and the list goes on and on=
... =

But I will strike back, fuck them! DEEP! =

Mais, la solitude...

> =

> Thomas Hluchnik
> =

> Am Mittwoch 20 Mai 2015 schrieb Paul A. Crable:
> > I have just finished Macdonald's "Future Crime", a recent book listing =
the
> > ways in which we are all abused and insulted, and will be further abused
> > and insulted, by unsavory persons and organizations through our
> > technology, particularly through the Internet.  It makes sobering readi=
ng.
> > =

> > TOR is mentioned frequently, but the references are primary to its use =
by
> > criminals to carry out illegal activity, such as the Silk Road incident.
> > =

> > This ties in somewhat to a recent posting on this list claiming that 2/=
3's
> > of the activity on TOR is involved in pornography.
> > =

> > I suppose I sound like a disapproving fussbudget, but I have trouble
> > understanding how and why we allow TOR to be used this way.  I'm all for
> > free speech, but it's still illegal to falsely yell "Fire!" in a crowded
> > theater.
> > =

> > Is there some way to keep TOR out of the hands of sleazebags and crooks?
> > =

> > Paul

-- =

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