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On 20/05/15 15:10, Paul A. Crable wrote:
> I have just finished Macdonald's "Future Crime", a recent book listing the
> ways in which we are all abused and insulted, and will be further abused
> and insulted, by unsavory persons and organizations through our
> technology, particularly through the Internet.  It makes sobering reading.
>
> TOR is mentioned frequently, but the references are primary to its use by
> criminals to carry out illegal activity, such as the Silk Road incident.
>
> This ties in somewhat to a recent posting on this list claiming that 2/3's
> of the activity on TOR is involved in pornography.
>
> I suppose I sound like a disapproving fussbudget, but I have trouble
> understanding how and why we allow TOR to be used this way.  I'm all for
> free speech, but it's still illegal to falsely yell "Fire!" in a crowded
> theater.
>
> Is there some way to keep TOR out of the hands of sleazebags and crooks?

Even if there was some ways, who would then decide what a bad guy is and 
what a good one is, what is legal and what's not? What's moral and 
what's not?
Who? You? Your government? Your religion/belief?

BTW, Have you ever read this: 
https://projects.eff.org/~barlow/Declaration-Final.html

Krys


>
> Paul
>

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