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On 5/3/15, benjamin barber <barberb@barberb.com> wrote:
> Except that TOR says they're going to help LEO with stop cyber criminals
> according to briefings with UK parliament.

what part of "Will never compromise Tor" do you not understand?
educating law enforcement does not equate to capitulating to calls for
backdoors or weaknesses.

when the control port flaw was disclosed, a patch was committed within
8 hours - while Tor people were on the road at a security conference.
this is a record turn-around for any defect i have been involved with.
in terms of technical measures for security, Tor has a great track
record - even compared to projects with ten times their resources.



> Thats not to mean that Tor is a government honeypot but its not secure
> enough, but if the government makes tor popular people will not be
> persuaded to more effective models.

Tor _is_ the most effective model deployed. there are a great many
ideas about making it even better, and i don't see how Tor being
popular precludes making it better.

take a look at the datagram Tor related research to see just how
difficult / complicated some of these problems are.
 (userspace stacks, congestion controls, padding and reordering, etc... )

pro-active security posture, prompt resolutions to serious security
issues, attentive to new research and actively engaged with
educational and professional organizations.

any of these aspects speak well of Tor itself and the Tor Project around it.

perhaps disagreement based in technical merit should have been
requested. do you have any?


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