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> Just because certain government agencies, such as the U.S. State
> Department that supply funding for Tor to help protect dissidents, does
> not mean everyone affiliated with the U.S. government approve of this
> Tor project.

That is almost certainly true, there will be those who frown on Tor for a
variety of reasons

> When referring to "corrupt government officials", this includes a
> handful who are abusing the NSA's Internet, phone, and email monitoring
> PRISM program for their own personal profit and gain. This includes News
> Corp and 21st Century Fox.

If true, that'd mean that some of Fox News' output is based on fact? Shaken
to my core :)

Seriously though, as others have pointed out, the Government has much
cheaper, much more effective ways of silencing opponents. Methods that are
used to great effect in many other countries.

I don't doubt that someone somewhere in an agency has probably looked at
whether advertising can be subverted, though I suspect it's far more likely
that they were interested in payload delivery and not attempts at mind
control.



On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:15 AM, Travis Biehn <tbiehn@gmail.com> wrote:

> TAO.. Tailored Advertising Operations!! Got it. :)
>
> -Travis
>  On Mar 3, 2015 7:11 PM, "Travis Bean" <tlbean@tlbean.com> wrote:
>
> > On 03/03/2015 02:51 PM, z9wahqvh wrote:
> > > if the corrupt Gestapo government is so opposed to Tor, why do it and
> its
> > > subsidiary agencies provide (and have provided for all of its history)
> > > between 50 and 80% of the project's entire funding, a pattern which
> > > continues to this day?
> > >
> >
> > Just because certain government agencies, such as the U.S. State
> > Department that supply funding for Tor to help protect dissidents, does
> > not mean everyone affiliated with the U.S. government approve of this
> > Tor project.
> >
> > When referring to "corrupt government officials", this includes a
> > handful who are abusing the NSA's Internet, phone, and email monitoring
> > PRISM program for their own personal profit and gain. This includes News
> > Corp and 21st Century Fox. This abuse of power goes one step beyond
> > using the NSA's PRISM program for unlawful, tailored advertising.
> >
> > --
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