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I think the Freedom Hosting and Silk Road arrests shook many people's
confidence greatly, so they're very hesitant to keep using illegal hidden
services. Everything else beyond that seems like conjecture, especially the
idea that all of the narcotics markets are backed by spooks. If there is a
base for that, though, I'm all ears.


On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Joe Btfsplk <joebtfsplk@gmx.com> wrote:

>
> On 6/25/2014 3:28 PM, Mark McCarron wrote:
>
>> I have been examining the number of what would normally be deemed as
>> illegal sites sites on Tor.  Eliminating the narcotics trade, as these tend
>> to be intelligence agency backed enterprises, a serious decline has been
>> noted across the board.
>>
>> This would tend to suggest that exposure is common place and users no
>> longer feel safe.  In the more serious categories, such as child porn and
>> violent sexual material, no functioning open sites remain and many of the
>> sites that require registration are crippled.  The entire planet has been
>> scrubbed.
>>
>> This, it would seem, indicates that Tor has been compromised on a global
>> scale with very little fanfare or moves to correct the situation.
>>
>> Does anyone have any insights into the problem?
>>
>>
>>
> How did you arrive at your conclusion?  What were the criteria for the
> study / canvasing?
>
> Well, maybe it's been scrubbed from Tor (which is good, if true). That's
> really all this list is about & all that matters regarding a better
> reputation for Tor.  I doubt such illegal activities will disappear or stay
> "gone" from society for long. Been around for a while (all of recorded
> history).
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