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On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 16:17:44 -0500
Joe Btfsplk <joebtfsplk@gmx.com> wrote:

> On 6/15/2014 2:08 PM, Mirimir wrote:

> =

> "It was OK for the founding fathers to be extreme militants, but no
> one can do it after that, or they'll go to jail."
> =

> I'm not saying Tor Project (by themselves) should start a revolution =

> over embargo laws. =


	The tor project is an establishment project. The
	last thing they want is a =B4revolution=B4 =


	Of course, members of  this mailing list like to parade as
	freedom fighters, but they are only fooling people who want
	to be fooled. =


>  But that scenario is similar to historical cases
> (in some respects).  Women couldn't vote; black people had to use
> different restrooms, water fountains.  =


	Ah yes. There were some problems for blacks in the american
	free society eh? And who caused the problems?

	Why, it seems the problems were caused by...the government, a
	=B4legal entity=B4 that  first enforced slavery till 1870 and then
	apartheid till the 1970s...

	And, go figure, that happens to be the same all loving
	government responsible for the department of war/=B4defense=B4 and
	responsible for  spying projects like tor. =


	=

> I personally saw that growing
> up in the South. =


	And how do things look like know in the good old US? No racism
	at all, or millions of brown people jailed perhaps? =



> On all those things & hundreds more, someone / some
> group had to stand up - & do more than send an email, that can be
> deleted by a flunkie, for anything to change.
> =

> > As long as funding doesn't come with strings, there's no problem
> > with accepting it.
> Very true - more so w/ people already using Tor or those that would =

> never look at how Tor is funded.
> But if some sayings were ever true, it's, "Perception is reality,"
> and "You're judged by the company you keep."
> =

> People on the outside looking in, see an organization, whose primary =

> purpose is to provide means to protect privacy, *especially* from
> gov't agencies, but the major portion of their funding comes FROM a
> gov't agency.


	Heres news for you : =


	The primary purpose of the tor project is to spy on people who
	are not subservient to the american military. =


	The US military can=B4t easily spy on internet traffic in places
	like, say, china or iran, because those countries are
	firewalled. =


	So the US military needs something like tor. =


	Also, tor is a way for the US military to monitor its own
	=B4dissidents=B4.  =




> =

> I'm sorry - but no matter how much I or anyone else loves Tor, to
> many "thinking" outsiders, it would appear quite fishy (if they know
> that funding fact).  "It just don't look right."
> I think it's fishy - _& I like Tor_.  If I'd actually known that fact =

> before I used it, I'd have thought something wasn't right.


	Yep. Something isn right. Hm. Or rather : some things (plural) =

	aren=B4t right.


> =

> It may be, if they really want to grow the Tor user base
> (continually), it may have to appeal to a broader audience, for many
> of whom the funding source issue may well be a stumbling block.

-- =

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