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Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Tor Exit Operator convicted in Austrian lower court
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On 7/2/2014 2:21 PM, MacLemon wrote:
> Hey!
>
> On 02 Jul 2014, at 17:56, s7r <s7r@sky-ip.org> wrote:
>
>> Signed PGP part
>> On 7/2/2014 2:54 PM, MacLemon wrote:
>> The subject of this attracted my attention. Are we talking here about
>> a clear law, written black on white which states that it is illegal to
>> run Tor relays (or any kind of telecommunications proxy servers) and
>> that you are responsible for your user's actions, even if you provide
>> those services free of charge, therefor not required to collect any
>> data about your users? Is it actually a specific law which was
>> enforced here clearly stating that you cannot run Tor or open proxy
>> servers?
> No, absolutely NOT. Actually, the opposite is the reality. Austria has so=
mething commonly called the =93Provider's Privilege=94 (non-legalese term) =
which states that a service provider is not liable for the data transported=
 over said services. No matter if the service is a free or paid one.
>
>
> There is no law that I have ever heard of that prohibits running a proxy =
server or a Tor node in general or in particular. Providing an online servi=
ce in Austria is mostly regulated by the Telecommunications law, E-Commerce=
 law and data-protection law.
>
Playing Devils' Advocate:  If Austria's laws are so protective of ISPs =

in general, why was this gentleman convicted?
Unless he ignored the advice I've seen so many times, not to commingle =

your own internet traffic w/ the Tor relay traffic.

Even then, I wonder about a conviction, unless he had the worst lawyer =

in the world (which he may have).

There also could be other info which wasn't divulged.  I'm not saying =

there is - just could be.
Unless there was a REALLY bad ruling, in which case an appeal might have =

a good chance? of over turning it.
But I know nothing of Austrian law.

However, it seems strange that if he only was running a server & neither =

he / a roommate / house guest did anything illegal on a computer, using =

the same relay, how it ever got to a conviction.

If he nor anyone using the physical computer running the relay did =

nothing illegal, and he was still convicted (not just questioned or =

charged), that would seem to spell doom to other operators.

If that's what can happen, people should think twice & a 3rd time before =

ever risk running one.
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