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An educational/ literary resource would resemble groklaw it seems.


On 7/27/14, Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:
> i would be interested to collaborate on making one
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 7:12 AM, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
>
>> On 7/26/14, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Is there such thing as an applied law / best practices
>> > mailing list in the digital field... perhaps suited to
>> > service providers, but also covering users, and meta-orgs
>> > of digital/privacy/activism/rights, etc? And perhaps where
>> > real lawyers might actually participate in discussion.
>>
>>
>> There was Groklaw, but that is no more.
>>
>> I have presumed in the past that certain "groundwork" work might be
>> useful for those involved in cases.
>>
>> However, pre-emptive action is difficult due to the number of
>> jurisdictions. Groklaw built on the SCO case, which was a) widely
>> reported, b) struck at the heart of the free/libre software world, c)
>> involved big budged companies, d) continued for a very long time.
>>
>> A very valuable literary-legal resource was created by that effort
>> (other cases were covered to some degrees).
>>
>> I would discourage self-represented defence in cases surrounding
>> Tor/I2P etc, due to the potential significance of adverse consequences
>> to the broader *globabl* free-speech network communities!
>>
>> Self-represented may be ok in conjunction with support from
>> pro-liberty lawyers. This might be quite jurisdiction-sensitive, I
>> don't know.
>>
>> But first and foremost, we have a duty of care to each other in this
>> freedom-speech community, to not hide such cases from those who would
>> be able to support, due to the potential community chilling effects.
>>
>> SO, such a list might be a very useful thing to set up, so that those
>> who might "valantly" charge ahead in a case self-representing, might
>> receive the support and the cautions from supportive lawyers regarding
>> all possible approaches, etc, etc.
>>
>> Regards
>> Zenaan
>>
>
>
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