Delivery-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 14:27:31 -0400
Return-Path: <tor-talk-bounces@lists.torproject.org>
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on moria.seul.org
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,
	RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,RP_MATCHES_RCVD,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham version=3.3.1
X-Original-To: archiver@seul.org
Delivered-To: archiver@seul.org
Received: from eugeni.torproject.org (eugeni.torproject.org [38.229.72.13])
	(using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
	(No client certificate requested)
	by khazad-dum.seul.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 023541E0240
	for <archiver@seul.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 14:27:30 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from eugeni.torproject.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by eugeni.torproject.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B71F12E94A;
	Thu, 24 Jul 2014 18:27:20 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by eugeni.torproject.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D6882E84A
 for <tor-talk@lists.torproject.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 18:16:34 +0000 (UTC)
X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at eugeni.torproject.org
Received: from eugeni.torproject.org ([127.0.0.1])
 by localhost (eugeni.torproject.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024)
 with ESMTP id bdvRgZyYrrXK for <tor-talk@lists.torproject.org>;
 Thu, 24 Jul 2014 18:16:34 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from mail-ig0-x22d.google.com (mail-ig0-x22d.google.com
 [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22d])
 (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits))
 (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com",
 Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (not verified))
 by eugeni.torproject.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E5A22CCBA
 for <tor-talk@lists.torproject.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 18:16:34 +0000 (UTC)
Received: by mail-ig0-f173.google.com with SMTP id h18so6793797igc.0
 for <tor-talk@lists.torproject.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 11:16:32 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
 d=cyblings.on.ca; s=google;
 h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references
 :in-reply-to:content-type;
 bh=hLjUyO2zi+KfiCP4pMV1tKMmYLk2wmtq6md+tgW4JTk=;
 b=fDrKJvTAIvZ/83SdD+GD3xT/znE3GcgbS5tKJni5YTbRFbSvJImXnGD+dkiwbvHV+y
 yl4Rzfduf+6oRQcx21sMlHTEh/Ri7FkCoeIY0pfo90Lje1BmvAXU38n0L2p8aywF/N9O
 KrVg8AC56+042KjRvvkzlKPOzpZWupVcycbyA=
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
 d=1e100.net; s=20130820;
 h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to
 :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type;
 bh=hLjUyO2zi+KfiCP4pMV1tKMmYLk2wmtq6md+tgW4JTk=;
 b=OZYbA6CllN0RcrvcW6tHmo8X8atyUUwl4pqLLrdXJcVcDeHzyyehd7aMy0T4ZfEGSX
 cIgQZSM00QQcwV/Q/a8lneZojMGKGkPdPUChLNF3Ud0U3R6E7pzktFEdmrSagink7/Ic
 XZjQnYzyv2jcMaZkedeuMJgAYCpOUXsU9ufc1kv0I5/1IMOqGNdMIjr0vdA97LAetqal
 N4ZPQ03iC0qP72bhBNEw5pSROe30/pIscE3Wq1po7anNd9cef72MAk0rPsj0waIR1Tkr
 Rd3fPG1Ttqx8CsMmEX7q1wsLA2vKzwgAef6iwy8r++XDARXvtYNrBA8/0uOx15DsqRI9
 nejQ==
X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnG+ImQdz/RvcLEYD3P1wails1mXqB9RlBK10nw/mfz2zdXDeVPZm2LltEO3e0H6ErJtUOO
X-Received: by 10.42.106.145 with SMTP id z17mr14195862ico.82.1406225792254;
 Thu, 24 Jul 2014 11:16:32 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [192.168.1.2] (69-196-152-198.dsl.teksavvy.com.
 [69.196.152.198])
 by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id i8sm51013622igt.17.2014.07.24.11.16.29
 for <tor-talk@lists.torproject.org>
 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128);
 Thu, 24 Jul 2014 11:16:30 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <53D14D70.2070006@cyblings.on.ca>
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 14:16:16 -0400
From: krishna e bera <keb@cyblings.on.ca>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64;
 rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
References: <BAY172-W52A94F1218C97E454879DAC4FF0@phx.gbl>
 <53D147B6.90701@sky-ip.org>
In-Reply-To: <53D147B6.90701@sky-ip.org>
X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] ISP surveillance.
X-BeenThere: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
Reply-To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
List-Id: "all discussion about theory, design,
 and development of Onion Routing" <tor-talk.lists.torproject.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/tor-talk>, 
 <mailto:tor-talk-request@lists.torproject.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/>
List-Post: <mailto:tor-talk@lists.torproject.org>
List-Help: <mailto:tor-talk-request@lists.torproject.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk>, 
 <mailto:tor-talk-request@lists.torproject.org?subject=subscribe>
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2046230699969315799=="
Errors-To: tor-talk-bounces@lists.torproject.org
Sender: "tor-talk" <tor-talk-bounces@lists.torproject.org>

This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156)
--===============2046230699969315799==
Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1;
 protocol="application/pgp-signature";
 boundary="U6cqGqSjWq2tGFtoLihF10ussrn31GxRd"

This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156)
--U6cqGqSjWq2tGFtoLihF10ussrn31GxRd
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On 14-07-24 01:51 PM, s7r wrote:
> Using Tor will encrypt your data totally with multiple layers, this
> means that your ISP can see that you are using Tor, and nothing more.
> They can't see what sites you visit, what data you download,
> intercept, modify or alter the data you download, can't see if you are
> accessing hidden services and what hidden services, etc. Bottom of the
> line, your ISP can see you are using Tor and that's all, nothing more.

If either the Tor exit node or destination computer gets its connection
from the *same* ISP as you, then the ISP could correlate the traffic
end-to-end and be pretty sure it was you who was accessing that
resource, though they might not be able to read the contents.

Tor cannot encrypt connections beyond the exit node - that is your
responsibility. If the connection from your computer to the destination
computer isnt encrypted with something at least as strong as SSL, then
the exit node operator and anyone else watching traffic coming out of
the exit node can see the contents.  With hidden services, however, the
connection is encrypted from your computer to the hidden service port,
so snoopers cannot read the contents.


--U6cqGqSjWq2tGFtoLihF10ussrn31GxRd
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc"
Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc"

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1
Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/

iQEVAwUBU9FNd/p3cia4tegJAQL40wf/esZheTCz87fYRjpKfMs+Zm2g7gYitsGl
r4PPwyT5FnOaOseVgSTSO2Rv3Ciy8KxDM/9SSItJ6E9nfKIvo/5gTgl5cExnDrHn
LfhI4TSH836yQD8oSxULSWFL5qHIoI1tOBd0Bbl6wu+DI4YHd7J1X7doL3i1Vc7q
vgTx/nPZnJFqr2TI07mF4KWO8eCOJ+Ehjb2AgEi2F0aAjjJEPx5+dDsMd3SjP60j
N6955xfu4cfbScKGYgkjB8DvtqCGEMyDc4Jw1dw25B+8czA1eSP5t/lhHdQloUNn
PqMCSO2MyfL0zZW9KVhS0ljvJUxENqEJETRm/8rxGcVF+rBhIJSo0g==
=1gHY
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--U6cqGqSjWq2tGFtoLihF10ussrn31GxRd--

--===============2046230699969315799==
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

-- 
tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
To unsubscribe or change other settings go to
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

--===============2046230699969315799==--

