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On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 12:17:14PM +0000, Patrick Schleizer wrote:
> Nice graphic. Looks similar for any country! Exponential growth of
> debts. But not because mainly more and more money is wasted, it is the
> money system itself that is broken. One of the biggest frauds ever. Who
> has the right to create fiat money out of nothing? How exactly does
> money creation work? Why is it that almost all countries are indebted?
> And those not indebted, have minor funds in comparison to others debt,
> don't hold the balance that others owe to them. If you take a balance of
> all governments worldwide, debts are exponentially growing. To whom do
> they owe the money?
> 
> In the fiat money system, amount of money in circulation equals debts.
> Yes, even if you personally don't have any debts, all paper and book
> money is only in circulation, because someone else made a debt. Pay back
> a loan, and money gets literally destroy. If everyone could pay back
> their loan, there would be no more money in circulation. One problem
> with this system is, someone earns interest for the money in circulation.
> 
> So I can only encourage you to learn about the money system. Get
> information from official sources. Read different opinions on how to
> interpret it. Then try to conclude if it is a fair system or a fraud
> system where few get richer at expense of everyone else.

Interesting think. What do you advise to read?
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