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Except that we know that such an attack is underway through PRISM and that no one made any moves to fix it.

How long has it been now???  A year???

By any measure I am sure we can call that material assistance.

Regards,

Mark McCarron

> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 17:55:18 -0400
> From: griffin@cryptolab.net
> To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Illegal Activity As A Metric of Tor Security and	Anonymity
> 
> Mark McCarron wrote:
> > Tor was designed to fit into that global view and provide US intelligence with the locations of both users and hidden services, whilst pretending to provide anonymity.
> 
> [citation needed]
> 
> > I don't see anyone denying it.  Do you? Its been 6 days already.
> 
>   There's also a large Tor event going on where dozens of people are
> getting important things done.  Not everyone finds it useful to respond
> to far-fetched accusations with no basis in reality.
> 
> ~Griffin
> 
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