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I agree that collecting stories about "why/how I use Tor" is useful, but I =
disagree that any special education or warning should be needed before sett=
ing up an exit node. Setting up an exit node is simply providing another IP=
 that can be used for traffic and nothing else. It is useful to provide war=
nings about protecting your own traffic, and protecting your own computer a=
gainst attack from traffic to your exit node. For a while I was able to set=
 up an exit node and run it for about 4 days at a time before Windows got c=
logged up and I needed to reboot to keep the computer from locking up. The =
only thing I had to do was change my IP address, as whatever IP address I w=
as using for Tor gets tagged and blocked by many sites (unreasonably, but s=
till done).

But then I started receiving immediate attacks that shut down the node. I a=
m not sure if those were coming from my ISP or from outside, and I am not i=
nterested in notifying my ISP that I am operating an exit node - what I do =
with my Internet connection is my business, not theirs. I am not the least =
bit concerned of any legal issues associated with operating an exit node, b=
ecause any concerns are blatantly unreasonable. Basically Tor, and https, a=
re just necessary mechanisms for using the Internet, and nothing else. Boo =
hoo that no one can see what you are doing. That is just too bad. Everyone =
has the right to privacy. I list public key cryptography as the most import=
ant invention of the 20th century, because it allows privacy in the digital=
 world. The same privacy that was obtained centuries earlier by sealing a l=
etter with hot wax and a monogram seal.
=A0
--
Christopher Booth


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 From: Joe Btfsplk <joebtfsplk@gmx.com>
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org =

Sent: Thursday, July 3, 2014 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Tor Exit Operator convicted in Austrian lower court
 =



On 7/3/2014 10:34 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> Agreed, great news.
>
> In hindsight, it is clear that we as a community have an interest to
> build a resource of amicus curiae briefs - friend of the court briefs.
> So PLEASE make moves in the direction of contributing and collecting
> documents which may be relevant to future cases - at the least a
> simple collection of legal docs.
>
Definitely!=A0 /"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."/ - Ben =

Franklin.

Perhaps out of fear of legal liability, Tor Project doesn't seem to have =

what would be very helpful for relay operators - guides, documents - =

even access to basic legal advice,=A0 of how to best avoid legal issues to =

begin with.

I know nothing of legalities surrounding that, but people starting a =

relay w/o proper guidance on how to avoid legal problems as much as =

possible, *doesn't quite seem right.*

In a worst case scenario, running relays can be truly *life =

destroying.*=A0 It seems volunteers need better preparation & education =

about potential ramifications.=A0 If after being educated, they still =

choose to run relays (especially exit), that's fine.

However, it would seem wrong to not make reasonably complete education =

materials available to potential relay operators, to prepare them & warn =

them of potential downside.
Without relay operators, there won't be much left (unless independent =

volunteers no longer handle that function).

Accused persons dealing w/ problems like this after the fact, is far, =

far worse than even an extraordinary amount of time spent on preventing =

/ avoiding them.
If LEAs / judicial system actively investigates someone (throwing around =

terms like child porn), or indicts a person, the mental stress alone is =

enough to ruin one's life.=A0 That is no exaggeration.

If you've never been falsely accused of something & had to defend =

yourself - even before it goes to trial (or never does), the stress is =

incredible.



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