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Flipchan <flipchan@riseup.net>:

> Well i never liked vpn , like for example in the US the police can force 
> the vpn provider to give out info without the vpn provider telling the 
> client/customer about it, so u need to put alot of trust in these vpn 
> providers,

That's why I would never purchase a US-based VPN...

> i am acctually developing a better solution but its only in beta and i 
> havent got it to work 100%

Could you share some more info on that? Will it work in real time? How 
will you address correlation attacks?

> is this person who is hosting my vpn ready to go to jail for me?

Definitely not, that's why I was thinking of a VPN in a jurisdiction that 
allows keeping no logs.

But even if a VPN provider keeps no logs (and even if I trust them, and as 
HideMyAss case shows, it can be dangerous), I think that if government in 
any country wanted to tap into traffic in a datacentre where this VPN 
provider hosts some of its servers, it wouldn't be too hard for them to do 
so.

> u need a non US provider and some u trust

I trust Tor way more than I trust a VPN provider...

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