Delivery-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 16:57:29 -0500
Return-Path: <tor-talk-bounces@lists.torproject.org>
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on moria.seul.org
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,
	RP_MATCHES_RCVD,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham version=3.3.1
X-Original-To: archiver@seul.org
Delivered-To: archiver@seul.org
Received: from eugeni.torproject.org (eugeni.torproject.org [38.229.72.13])
	(using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
	(No client certificate requested)
	by khazad-dum.seul.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DA141E0DC0
	for <archiver@seul.org>; Mon,  2 Feb 2015 16:57:04 -0500 (EST)
Received: from eugeni.torproject.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by eugeni.torproject.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A8733585;
	Mon,  2 Feb 2015 21:57:01 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by eugeni.torproject.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC4B3358D
 for <tor-talk@lists.torproject.org>; Mon,  2 Feb 2015 21:56:57 +0000 (UTC)
X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at 
Received: from eugeni.torproject.org ([127.0.0.1])
 by localhost (eugeni.torproject.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024)
 with ESMTP id qpiDnSwqUxBp for <tor-talk@lists.torproject.org>;
 Mon,  2 Feb 2015 21:56:57 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from ccs.nrl.navy.mil (mx0.ccs.nrl.navy.mil
 [IPv6:2001:480:20:118:118::211])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits))
 (Client did not present a certificate)
 by eugeni.torproject.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF5DF3343E
 for <tor-talk@lists.torproject.org>; Mon,  2 Feb 2015 21:56:57 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from buridan.fw5540.net (fw5540.nrl.navy.mil [132.250.196.100])
 by ccs.nrl.navy.mil (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id t12Lurs7031425
 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT)
 for <tor-talk@lists.torproject.org>; Mon, 2 Feb 2015 16:56:54 -0500
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 16:56:53 -0500
From: Paul Syverson <paul.syverson@nrl.navy.mil>
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
Message-ID: <20150202215653.GL22023@buridan.fw5540.net>
References: <59859a5ecfa5020326ac6164c632196d@openmailbox.org>
 <20150202213758.GK22023@buridan.fw5540.net>
 <op.xtf9brgjbgbjo9@work-pc.lan>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Disposition: inline
In-Reply-To: <op.xtf9brgjbgbjo9@work-pc.lan>
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12)
X-CCS-MailScanner: No viruses found.
X-CCS-MailScanner-Info: See: http://www.nrl.navy.mil/ccs/support/email
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] ATOMIC BANJO and LEVITATION used by CSE
X-BeenThere: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
Reply-To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
List-Id: "all discussion about theory, design,
 and development of Onion Routing" <tor-talk.lists.torproject.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/tor-talk>, 
 <mailto:tor-talk-request@lists.torproject.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/>
List-Post: <mailto:tor-talk@lists.torproject.org>
List-Help: <mailto:tor-talk-request@lists.torproject.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk>, 
 <mailto:tor-talk-request@lists.torproject.org?subject=subscribe>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Errors-To: tor-talk-bounces@lists.torproject.org
Sender: "tor-talk" <tor-talk-bounces@lists.torproject.org>

On Mon, Feb 02, 2015 at 01:44:05PM -0800, Seth wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 13:37:58 -0800, Paul Syverson
> <paul.syverson@nrl.navy.mil> wrote:
> 
> >The point was that there was a bunch of stuff we started doing at NRL
> >in 1995 we called "onion routing" including what we eventually called
> >Tor.  Some people not at NRL designed, and in some cases built, other
> >systems using the same onion routing principles (e.g. the Freedom
> >Network that Zero Knowledge Systems ran c. 2000-2001,
> 
> ZKS Freedom! ..blast from the past, I think I was one of the 50 people that
> signed up for a paid subscription, it was way ahead of its time. Was always
> suspicious of the timing of their shutdown right after 9/11.

Tinfoil hat brigade will probably not believe anything I say, but for
the rest of you: I was talking to them about licensing the onion
routing patent and other things right up until they shut the network
down. I feel confident this was simply a business decision. Ian and/or
Adam may care to say more (or not).

aloha,
Paul
-- 
tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
To unsubscribe or change other settings go to
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

