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> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Say a well-funded attacker takes the Carnegie Mellon deanonymization attack and introduces Sybil slowly over several months.

> The graph would look like this...> https://metrics.torproject.org/networksize.html?graph=networksize&start=2007-07-04&end=2015-12-08

>> What then is the defense?

> Pray.
In other words, treat Tor going forward as I do SSL: brittle and broken, but still better than using nothing at all.
-Jonathan



    On Monday, December 7, 2015 11:52 PM, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
 

 On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Say a well-funded attacker takes the Carnegie Mellon deanonymization attack and introduces Sybil slowly over several months.

The graph would look like this...
https://metrics.torproject.org/networksize.html?graph=networksize&start=2007-07-04&end=2015-12-08

> What then is the defense?

Pray.
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