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Awesome!

Though a tablet could work, I am more for a more pocket-sized mobile 
device. Also, Seth, thanks for the more in-depth concern regarding the 
WiFi MAC address and guard nodes, however, though I am all for people 
knowing how their devices work and why, the details of that kind of 
stuff is a bit over my head, even if I know what they are.

The Blackphone and the Jolla are definitely not all they are cracked up 
to be, but I was unaware of the Open Handset Alliance terms.  It 
doesn't, from my perspective, break the ecosystem of Android 
applications, just Google's, which are broken by design; no loss there.  
But if the API is tied to Google applications and not to Android 
applications, I can see the issue.

Ubuntu is also broken, in that you need to be a developer/engineer to do 
much of anything, at least that has been my experience, as well as the 
experience of other [Mac] users, with 13.x. Though ditching the Oracle 
stuff seems like a plus.  But do people have absolute control, or is it 
mitigated by providers/manufacturers?

Replicant, though still Android, could be an option since some devices 
are now supporting WiFi, though they are mostly Samsung and Google :(  
Though there is still that huge laborious learning curve. Where does 
this fit into the OHA terms? I know Cyanogen is all Googled up.  Thanks, 
Alexis, for the insight.

Definitely a need for TorPhone.

***Side note:
Sorry if my title caused some issues.


Awesome,
SpencerOne

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