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Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Tor and solidarity against online harassment
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13.12.2014, 20:33 Scott MacLeod:
> Dear Roger and all,
> 
> As an example of an (arguably) extreme form of "harassment" which I could
> call the 9/11 tragedy, can someone please explain how Tor mitigates, or
> protects against, the kinds of online communications that would/could have
> lead to 9/11? What's the reasoning and rationale that Tor can prevent
> another hypothetical 9/11, anywhere in the world, if there's no "back door"
> for state surveillance by the US or other nation states' governments (i.e.
> to protect against terrorism/harassment, for example)? In other words, how
> does Tor work, in theory, to protect against terrorism (as harassment or
> against the World Trade Tower tragedy and related?
> 
> Thanks,
> Scott

There is no online harassment in your scenario.

Best regards,
bastik.tor
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